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Konig Des Todes · Apr 03, 2010, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by End

It'd be epic to get together a group of people who test out updates...So that obvious errors don't happen...

scratch that I'm copyrighting this idea...

The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on. It was just the QA who tested it, and apparently they didn't test HM - because, I'm guessing, they didn't think it would affect vanquisher because... well... it doesn't affect HM! Except in a bug. >.>

People test the stuff, but not everything can be tested in time. And even then, the people who test the stuff can't think of everything to test. That's physically impossible. Not to mention there are times when there are no bugs in the stage server but there are in the live server (like when zcoins were first released - no one could put them into the storage, but that was possible in the stage server).

Remember: Even if the bug is huge, the problem may be as small as putting a comma instead of a period, or switching two characters around.

Razon · Apr 03, 2010, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by PartyMAn

There are two different versions of Talmark.

The original-

The modified version with the camp-

Just by that it should be easy to tell if the camp is going to be there, without actually running to it.

Nice. So that means they redesigned the whole explorable area for this.

Redvex · Apr 03, 2010, 10:58 AM // 10:58

another img

Lord Sojar · Apr 03, 2010, 01:42 PM // 13:42

It appears as if they refined the explorable area using some of the technology used in EotN. That's interesting and exciting! The poly count appears to have gone up significantly and the texture quality has more that doubled from what I can tell in those screenshots. I am impressed!

I think they should port the graphics technology used in EotN over to Factions and Prophecies. It would greatly improve the look of the game, holding over until GW2. Not to mention I would be more than happy to devote my time to testing it for graphical glitches.

Shayne Hawke · Apr 03, 2010, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Razon

Nice. So that means they redesigned the whole explorable area for this.

That would likely explain the vanquisher bug. You're not vanquishing Talmark Wilderness. You're vanquishing the new Talmark Wilderness, one that isn't necessarily considered a part of Tyria and doesn't count towards the Vanquisher track.

Xenomortis · Apr 03, 2010, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

That would likely explain the vanquisher bug. You're not vanquishing Talmark Wilderness. You're vanquishing the new Talmark Wilderness, one that isn't necessarily considered a part of Tyria and doesn't count towards the Vanquisher track.

Seems likely. Can you vanquish it if you haven't completed EotN?
I might try it out on my Warrior or Ele.

Teres · Apr 03, 2010, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Just tried it out:

- Character with Prophecies completed, Eye of the North not on the account: Got the new area, no vanquishing possible
- Character with Prophecies incomplete (Crytal Desert), Eye of the North only partially done: Got the old area, and it can be vanquished.

I guess the old/new Talmark theory is right then. If you get the old area, you can vanquish it, if you get the new one, you cannot.

End · Apr 03, 2010, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on. It was just the QA who tested it, and apparently they didn't test HM - because, I'm guessing, they didn't think it would affect vanquisher because... well... it doesn't affect HM! Except in a bug. >.>

They should know by now that changing one thing can affect something completely different >.>

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People test the stuff, but not everything can be tested in time. And even then, the people who test the stuff can't think of everything to test. That's physically impossible. Not to mention there are times when there are no bugs in the stage server but there are in the live server (like when zcoins were first released - no one could put them into the storage, but that was possible in the stage server).

I noted that and as I said I would rather have an explanation like that rather then just saying that the bug exists and they'll get around to fixing it...or at least I think I mentioned that... O.o

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Remember: Even if the bug is huge, the problem may be as small as putting a comma instead of a period, or switching two characters around.

I remember...my first year of college...failing one assignment because I hit : instead of ; ... QQ

stretchs · Apr 03, 2010, 08:35 PM // 20:35

=\ Makes me very grumpy, went to check out the village, and figured, hey why not vanquish this area while I am at it, after battling the ever annoying inferno imps, i cleared the area, only to look up and see there is no vanquishing =\ Thanks a lump a-fail-net =\. At least post something at login when you are aware of an issue and arent correcting it

Karate Jesus · Apr 03, 2010, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on. It was just the QA who tested it, and apparently they didn't test HM - because, I'm guessing, they didn't think it would affect vanquisher because... well... it doesn't affect HM! Except in a bug. >.>

Good to hear they trust those NDAs that they forged in blood so much

. And I think people are reacting poorly to this bug because almost every single update since the TK has been formed has contained a significant bug or error.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

People test the stuff, but not everything can be tested in time. And even then, the people who test the stuff can't think of everything to test. That's physically impossible. Not to mention there are times when there are no bugs in the stage server but there are in the live server (like when zcoins were first released - no one could put them into the storage, but that was possible in the stage server).

You'd think with several hundred people on the TK, someone would catch stuff like the huge bug to Slaver's, the huge bug to Smiter's Boon, etc.

However, from what I hear, less than half the people on the TK actually get on the forums or test the game. Actually, I know for a fact that they recently added several people to the TK specifically to test out some GvG changes because no one was doing it.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Remember: Even if the bug is huge, the problem may be as small as putting a comma instead of a period, or switching two characters around.

I think we all understand that, but over time those accidental commas and misspellings add up. Hell, there are free MMO's online that get better bug support than GW at this point.

I appreciate what they and the TK are doing, but there comes a point where you have to question the jobs of the QA.

End · Apr 03, 2010, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Good to hear they trust those NDAs that they forged in blood so much

. And I think people are reacting poorly to this bug because almost every single update since the TK has been formed has contained a significant bug or error.

I think it's more of...wanting to keep the TK excited to (hey they're still customers and since it's most likely gonna be a micro transaction thing :\ ). However to me they still should have had the TK go over it real quick I mean there is a reason they are exist...

Skyy High · Apr 03, 2010, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by End

...and since it's most likely gonna be a micro transaction thing :\

Most. Jaded. Community. Ever.

Karate Jesus · Apr 03, 2010, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Most. Jaded. Community. Ever.

He's not being jaded.....he's being honest. Something in this update will be profitable for Anet, just watch.

That's not to say that some of it wont, but the last year and a half have taught us not to expect anything for free anymore.

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 03, 2010, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The TK was left out of the addition of the SB camp to avoid spoilers leaking and so that it'll be a surprise to those of us who follow the viral campaign going on.

I understand and agree with this, after all, they couldnt stop leaks to "favoured players" when it was anet staff only.

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People test the stuff, but not everything can be tested in time. And even then, the people who test the stuff can't think of everything to test. That's physically impossible.

Sorry, but this I disagree with. As someone who has written QA test scripts and worked on QA software, the one thing you do is a brainstorming "what if situation" and then prepare to test the possibilities. Where I can agree its difficult to catch everything, this was a change to an area and therefore the testing of that area should be screaming Test Me! - not some unforeseen bug created in Nightfall or other similar area unassociated with the updated area.

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Remember: Even if the bug is huge, the problem may be as small as putting a comma instead of a period, or switching two characters around.

Remember, is not that precisely why you QA before putting it out live?

End · Apr 03, 2010, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Most. Jaded. Community. Ever.

Would you put this much time, effort, and money into hyping something you weren't going to profit off of?

Karate Jesus · Apr 03, 2010, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by End

Would you put this much time, effort, and money into hyping something you weren't going to profit off of?

Don't forget they also just added a staff member and possibly increased the pay of another.

Lord Sojar · Apr 04, 2010, 05:56 AM // 05:56

You guys should start a game development company, seeing as how you clearly know everything there is to know, and are better than everyone else.

And so what if a small section of this large update is micro transaction for something that doesn't affect gameplay? Is it a crime for ANET to make some money while they continue to develop for GW1 while simultaneously developing GW2 (which is costing them a lot of money most likely)? You are getting new content on a game that you don't pay a monthly fee for, that is getting quite old at this point, and that is well on its way to evolving into a new game that promises a lot more. QQ more, please.

End · Apr 04, 2010, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You guys should start a game development company, seeing as how you clearly know everything there is to know, and are better than everyone else.

not everything... :P

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And so what if a small section of this large update is micro transaction for something that doesn't affect gameplay? Is it a crime for ANET to make some money while they continue to develop for GW1 while simultaneously developing GW2 (which is costing them a lot of money most likely)? You are getting new content on a game that you don't pay a monthly fee for, that is getting quite old at this point, and that is well on its way to evolving into a new game that promises a lot more. QQ more, please.

I have no issue with micro transactions I never intended to make it seem like I was against them...any sadness is because I want and can't afford...Not that I would necessarily give them my money unless I felt they deserved it...
I mean would you really pay 14 a month for your WoW if they were doing real updates every 6 months and each seemed to have a major flaw? while I know flaws are inevitable things like this are quite honestly rather obvious... not hard to check...So even if I had money it'd have to be something I wanted :\

Edit: they're a business...let them make money...it should be their goal to do soo

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 04, 2010, 06:47 AM // 06:47

There's a micro transaction?? Did I miss it? Or are there assumptions being made??

Neo Nugget · Apr 04, 2010, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by Lycan Nibbler

There's a micro transaction?? Did I miss it? Or are there assumptions being made??

No, there's just speculation on the subject so far.

I agree with Rahja. I don't see why Anet shouldn't be able to make some money out of this.